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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://weakonomics.com/2010/07/27/credit-checks-for-pre-employment-screening-good-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-5719</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really good for employee,The employer cannot check your credit without your express consent, but it is possible to skim right over the fine print before signing any applications.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youcheckcredit.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;credit check&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really good for employee,The employer cannot check your credit without your express consent, but it is possible to skim right over the fine print before signing any applications.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youcheckcredit.com/" rel="nofollow">credit check</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Hunter</title>
		<link>http://weakonomics.com/2010/07/27/credit-checks-for-pre-employment-screening-good-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-4482</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it is sensible for most employers.  On the other hand it will make me more competitive in the job market so it is good in that way :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it is sensible for most employers.  On the other hand it will make me more competitive in the job market so it is good in that way <img src='http://weakonomics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip,

Interesting question.  I lent about $3000 on Prosper.com in their early days -- 2006 &amp; early 2007.  During that time, I&#039;ve looked at hundreds of credit score summaries.  (Prosper provided a proprietary credit score and a summary version of people&#039;s report.)  I want to say that I&#039;ve probably seen more reports (or summaries) than non-professionals, but I might be exaggerating.  In any case, I&#039;ve seen a lot.

At the time, Prosper&#039;s worst credit &quot;grade&quot; was &quot;HR&quot; (for High Risk.)  Prosper would let anybody, regardless of credit score, apply for a loan.  (That part has since changed.)

For the better credit grades, credit scoring was purely a numbers game.  At the bottom end, however, &quot;HR&quot; was more than a risk assessment -- it&#039;s a description of somebody&#039;s lifestyle.  By and large, those people made consistently poor financial decisions, and some of the stories they would tell you would be just flooring.  (This isn&#039;t a terribly bad example, but who wants to borrow $3000 over 3 years for christmas presents?)  I&#039;m pretty sure they moved around from low-paying job to low-paying job quite frequently.

Given my experience, I wouldn&#039;t be so quick to agree that someone with a poor credit score has hit some temporary hard times and just needs a &quot;boost&quot; and therefore would be a better employee.  In fact, if they&#039;ve had a poor enough score long enough, I would wager that they&#039;re someone who has learned to game the system, and would be hesitant to hire them.  Why?  Because if they can game one system, I&#039;d be worried that they&#039;d game me too.  To boot, people with bad credit can be extremely good at rationalizing the mistakes they&#039;ve made and further, rationalizing why they haven&#039;t made steps to improve their score.  I&#039;d be afraid they&#039;d be a lousy employee, and have quite an easy time rationalizing that away -- after all, employers have lots of money and won&#039;t miss any of it if you screw around too much, will they?  

Although you can fire them after hiring, it&#039;s much cheaper and easier to avoid the hire in the first place.

Furthermore, you can be a compulsive shopper, buy too much crap, and have a decent score.  You won&#039;t be a top score with maxed out cards, but you will be a decent score as long as you pay your bills on time.

The truly terrible scores do much, much more than run up the cards.   But the lifestyles I&#039;m describing aren&#039;t ones that you and I are familiar with, and therefore don&#039;t think of them when we think credit checks are bad.  But I only support them if used properly -- pull the full report and make a judgement from there.  If a current bad score is do to a singular recent event (job loss, medical bills, whatever) then ok.  But if there&#039;s multiple periods of bad credit with &quot;job losses&quot; being the excuse, that tells you a lot too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip,</p>
<p>Interesting question.  I lent about $3000 on Prosper.com in their early days &#8212; 2006 &amp; early 2007.  During that time, I&#8217;ve looked at hundreds of credit score summaries.  (Prosper provided a proprietary credit score and a summary version of people&#8217;s report.)  I want to say that I&#8217;ve probably seen more reports (or summaries) than non-professionals, but I might be exaggerating.  In any case, I&#8217;ve seen a lot.</p>
<p>At the time, Prosper&#8217;s worst credit &#8220;grade&#8221; was &#8220;HR&#8221; (for High Risk.)  Prosper would let anybody, regardless of credit score, apply for a loan.  (That part has since changed.)</p>
<p>For the better credit grades, credit scoring was purely a numbers game.  At the bottom end, however, &#8220;HR&#8221; was more than a risk assessment &#8212; it&#8217;s a description of somebody&#8217;s lifestyle.  By and large, those people made consistently poor financial decisions, and some of the stories they would tell you would be just flooring.  (This isn&#8217;t a terribly bad example, but who wants to borrow $3000 over 3 years for christmas presents?)  I&#8217;m pretty sure they moved around from low-paying job to low-paying job quite frequently.</p>
<p>Given my experience, I wouldn&#8217;t be so quick to agree that someone with a poor credit score has hit some temporary hard times and just needs a &#8220;boost&#8221; and therefore would be a better employee.  In fact, if they&#8217;ve had a poor enough score long enough, I would wager that they&#8217;re someone who has learned to game the system, and would be hesitant to hire them.  Why?  Because if they can game one system, I&#8217;d be worried that they&#8217;d game me too.  To boot, people with bad credit can be extremely good at rationalizing the mistakes they&#8217;ve made and further, rationalizing why they haven&#8217;t made steps to improve their score.  I&#8217;d be afraid they&#8217;d be a lousy employee, and have quite an easy time rationalizing that away &#8212; after all, employers have lots of money and won&#8217;t miss any of it if you screw around too much, will they?  </p>
<p>Although you can fire them after hiring, it&#8217;s much cheaper and easier to avoid the hire in the first place.</p>
<p>Furthermore, you can be a compulsive shopper, buy too much crap, and have a decent score.  You won&#8217;t be a top score with maxed out cards, but you will be a decent score as long as you pay your bills on time.</p>
<p>The truly terrible scores do much, much more than run up the cards.   But the lifestyles I&#8217;m describing aren&#8217;t ones that you and I are familiar with, and therefore don&#8217;t think of them when we think credit checks are bad.  But I only support them if used properly &#8212; pull the full report and make a judgement from there.  If a current bad score is do to a singular recent event (job loss, medical bills, whatever) then ok.  But if there&#8217;s multiple periods of bad credit with &#8220;job losses&#8221; being the excuse, that tells you a lot too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wolfinger</title>
		<link>http://weakonomics.com/2010/07/27/credit-checks-for-pre-employment-screening-good-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-4457</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wolfinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does privacy mean nothing?

Are jobs so scarce that we will submit to anything to get one?

This is not the United Sates of America that we once knew.</description>
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<p>Are jobs so scarce that we will submit to anything to get one?</p>
<p>This is not the United Sates of America that we once knew.</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t completely disagree with you. In some ways the hiring process can seem quite intrusive. 

However, the cost of hiring an employee is substantial. At my organization, it&#039;s not uncommon for the process to take 6 months or more even at the Associate Director level. VPs are easily a year. And there&#039;s nothing worse than selecting a candidate, paying for moving costs, and getting them up to speed only to discover there&#039;s some significant flaw that perhaps could have been discovered before the investment of time and money was made.

A poor credit score should not be a deciding factor, but if someone&#039;s FICO is that low to cause concern, at least the employer can start a conversation about the issue. 

A person who is poor at managing their finances may be equally poor at managing the workflow. A person fretting over debt is distracted from their job. A person driven by fear of bankruptcy may steal from the company -- you can steal time as well as money. A person who fails to pay their debts may have questionable character.

I see the reasoning behind pre-employment screening. That&#039;s not to say it won&#039;t negatively effect good people, but perhaps it will make everyone all the more eager to live up to their financial commitments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t completely disagree with you. In some ways the hiring process can seem quite intrusive. </p>
<p>However, the cost of hiring an employee is substantial. At my organization, it&#8217;s not uncommon for the process to take 6 months or more even at the Associate Director level. VPs are easily a year. And there&#8217;s nothing worse than selecting a candidate, paying for moving costs, and getting them up to speed only to discover there&#8217;s some significant flaw that perhaps could have been discovered before the investment of time and money was made.</p>
<p>A poor credit score should not be a deciding factor, but if someone&#8217;s FICO is that low to cause concern, at least the employer can start a conversation about the issue. </p>
<p>A person who is poor at managing their finances may be equally poor at managing the workflow. A person fretting over debt is distracted from their job. A person driven by fear of bankruptcy may steal from the company &#8212; you can steal time as well as money. A person who fails to pay their debts may have questionable character.</p>
<p>I see the reasoning behind pre-employment screening. That&#8217;s not to say it won&#8217;t negatively effect good people, but perhaps it will make everyone all the more eager to live up to their financial commitments.</p>
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