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		<title>By: WinterDelight &#187; Tuesday Twister 20090728</title>
		<link>http://weakonomics.com/2009/07/21/how-do-you-want-to-pay-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-2718</link>
		<dc:creator>WinterDelight &#187; Tuesday Twister 20090728</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you were to form your own country, how would you create your tax system?&#160; I do not think free will offering would be a good option.&#160; The Weakonomist shares &#8220;How Do You Want To Pay Taxes?&#8220; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nature of and style of taxation isn&#039;t nearly as important as the percentage of our income we are taxed.  And, if the Government can&#039;t get their spending under control, we are definitely going to be taxed more in the future.

Having said all of that, I believe a flat-rate income tax is the fairest form.  Right now, the tax code is a complex disaster, which favors a lot of connected entities with subsidies and loopholes.  Many corporations pay no income tax, while individuals get stuck with the bill.

Even Warren Buffet, the richest man in the world, has complained that he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nature of and style of taxation isn&#8217;t nearly as important as the percentage of our income we are taxed.  And, if the Government can&#8217;t get their spending under control, we are definitely going to be taxed more in the future.</p>
<p>Having said all of that, I believe a flat-rate income tax is the fairest form.  Right now, the tax code is a complex disaster, which favors a lot of connected entities with subsidies and loopholes.  Many corporations pay no income tax, while individuals get stuck with the bill.</p>
<p>Even Warren Buffet, the richest man in the world, has complained that he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.<br />
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		<title>By: Carnival of Personal Finance: The House of Rose Edition</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Weakonomist from Weakonomics presents How Do You Want To Pay Taxes?, and says, &#8220;There are a lot of ways to pay taxes and like it or not we need to pay them. How [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post.  I do like the idea of the Fair Tax, although I&#039;m not sure how well it will work in practice.  (I&#039;m sure when Congress first created the income tax, they didn&#039;t imagine what would become of it decades down the road; similarly, the Fair Tax will undoubtedly raise issues we can barely see at this juncture.)  That said, I think some form of spending tax would be much better than the income tax that we currently have.  For my ideal tax, it would look something like this:

-Primarily a spending tax (a la the Fair tax), levied on all purchases by individuals or corporations.  Equal rates applied to all consumers, to limit any gaming of the system; no corporations buying cars for executives to save on taxes or anything like that.

-Replace the individual states&#039; sales taxes with proceeds from the national sales tax; send some portion of the proceeds (say, one third) to the states according to population.  This will simplify the process of determining taxes in each individual state.

-Include the tax into stated price of the good; it&#039;ll simplify trying to determine how much something will really cost (and combined with the above step, will ensure there&#039;s no sales tax shock when you go from one state to another).

-Perhaps some form of prebate (as with the Fair Tax), which will ideally replace some of the social programs such as food stamps.  (This is getting off the subject of a tax, but if you replace the myriad of social programs with a simple, fixed dollar amount of money given to each person, you could cut down greatly on administrative costs of running such social programs and still, in theory, benefit everyone who needs help.)

-Some sort of tax on imports; you don&#039;t want rich people/corporations making all their major purchases in foreign countries to dodge the sales tax in the US.  Ideally, split the tax revenue between the US and the appropriate foreign government, so they have an incentive to help us enforce our rules.

-Keep the estate tax (maybe).  I&#039;m torn on this point; on one hand, it does seem a bit wrong (and morbid) to tax someone&#039;s estate, on the other hand, allowing people who may have had nothing to do with earning the money to gain a vast fortune simply by virtue of being born to wealthy parents (or marrying a rich guy on his last legs) also seems wrong.  Depending on all the details of the spending tax, that alone might be enough to capture a good share of the inherited wealth, but if not, some sort of estate tax seems like a decent idea.  (Call it the &#039;Paris Hilton tax&#039;, both to make it clear what sort of people we&#039;re trying to target, as well as making it more politically palatable.)

-Rearrange the IRS to monitor sales and other exchanges of goods and services.  Even in my ideal world, I have no delusions that under the table arrangements to dodge the sales taxes will not occur.  While not an issue for publicly traded corporations (any decrease in the taxes they submit by reporting lower earnings would be offset by lower stock prices for not meeting earnings expectations), the incentive for individuals to do their spending in the black market would undoubted increase.  (To say nothing of the up to now largely untaxed internet market).  Why start from scratch when we already have a government organization in charge of looking for such chicanery?  Change their name to the Internal Sales Commission, get some new stationary, and put them to work!

That&#039;s more than enough for now; I might have to write about this some more, myself.  (Heck, I practically wrote a blog entry just in this response.)  Good topic for discussion!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post.  I do like the idea of the Fair Tax, although I&#8217;m not sure how well it will work in practice.  (I&#8217;m sure when Congress first created the income tax, they didn&#8217;t imagine what would become of it decades down the road; similarly, the Fair Tax will undoubtedly raise issues we can barely see at this juncture.)  That said, I think some form of spending tax would be much better than the income tax that we currently have.  For my ideal tax, it would look something like this:</p>
<p>-Primarily a spending tax (a la the Fair tax), levied on all purchases by individuals or corporations.  Equal rates applied to all consumers, to limit any gaming of the system; no corporations buying cars for executives to save on taxes or anything like that.</p>
<p>-Replace the individual states&#8217; sales taxes with proceeds from the national sales tax; send some portion of the proceeds (say, one third) to the states according to population.  This will simplify the process of determining taxes in each individual state.</p>
<p>-Include the tax into stated price of the good; it&#8217;ll simplify trying to determine how much something will really cost (and combined with the above step, will ensure there&#8217;s no sales tax shock when you go from one state to another).</p>
<p>-Perhaps some form of prebate (as with the Fair Tax), which will ideally replace some of the social programs such as food stamps.  (This is getting off the subject of a tax, but if you replace the myriad of social programs with a simple, fixed dollar amount of money given to each person, you could cut down greatly on administrative costs of running such social programs and still, in theory, benefit everyone who needs help.)</p>
<p>-Some sort of tax on imports; you don&#8217;t want rich people/corporations making all their major purchases in foreign countries to dodge the sales tax in the US.  Ideally, split the tax revenue between the US and the appropriate foreign government, so they have an incentive to help us enforce our rules.</p>
<p>-Keep the estate tax (maybe).  I&#8217;m torn on this point; on one hand, it does seem a bit wrong (and morbid) to tax someone&#8217;s estate, on the other hand, allowing people who may have had nothing to do with earning the money to gain a vast fortune simply by virtue of being born to wealthy parents (or marrying a rich guy on his last legs) also seems wrong.  Depending on all the details of the spending tax, that alone might be enough to capture a good share of the inherited wealth, but if not, some sort of estate tax seems like a decent idea.  (Call it the &#8216;Paris Hilton tax&#8217;, both to make it clear what sort of people we&#8217;re trying to target, as well as making it more politically palatable.)</p>
<p>-Rearrange the IRS to monitor sales and other exchanges of goods and services.  Even in my ideal world, I have no delusions that under the table arrangements to dodge the sales taxes will not occur.  While not an issue for publicly traded corporations (any decrease in the taxes they submit by reporting lower earnings would be offset by lower stock prices for not meeting earnings expectations), the incentive for individuals to do their spending in the black market would undoubted increase.  (To say nothing of the up to now largely untaxed internet market).  Why start from scratch when we already have a government organization in charge of looking for such chicanery?  Change their name to the Internal Sales Commission, get some new stationary, and put them to work!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s more than enough for now; I might have to write about this some more, myself.  (Heck, I practically wrote a blog entry just in this response.)  Good topic for discussion!<br />
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		<title>By: jwier92</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that we are getting further and further from what our founding fathers wanted for a country.  Income tax is not a voluntary tax and sales tax is a voluntary tax.  I have felt for years  that there should only be sales tax.  This is very fair.  People who choose to spend more money to show off their income or status get taxed more.   People who choose to save money do not pay a extra for earning a little money off their money.  You can get rid of all the 401k, IRA, Roth IRA, etc.


Less rules then also mean less government overhead and that means less taxes and more IRS employees to dig ditches, which is all they are good for if not employees by the IRS.  Sorry, that was not nice, I am sure they are nice people.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that we are getting further and further from what our founding fathers wanted for a country.  Income tax is not a voluntary tax and sales tax is a voluntary tax.  I have felt for years  that there should only be sales tax.  This is very fair.  People who choose to spend more money to show off their income or status get taxed more.   People who choose to save money do not pay a extra for earning a little money off their money.  You can get rid of all the 401k, IRA, Roth IRA, etc.</p>
<p>Less rules then also mean less government overhead and that means less taxes and more IRS employees to dig ditches, which is all they are good for if not employees by the IRS.  Sorry, that was not nice, I am sure they are nice people.<br />
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		<title>By: the weakonomist</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donnie, that is a great request for clarification.  Yes all services would be taxed as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donnie, that is a great request for clarification.  Yes all services would be taxed as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Donnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

Would you also tax services in your dream tax world?  Just thinking that that is a big loophole.  

Like: Hey we&#039;re going to give you this car for free, if you sign up for our  6 year service contract at $2,400/yr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>Would you also tax services in your dream tax world?  Just thinking that that is a big loophole.  </p>
<p>Like: Hey we&#8217;re going to give you this car for free, if you sign up for our  6 year service contract at $2,400/yr.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how much bartering would increase if a massive national sales tax was levied. There would probably have to be tighter controls on customs and such due to smuggling.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much bartering would increase if a massive national sales tax was levied. There would probably have to be tighter controls on customs and such due to smuggling.<br />
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		<title>By: Donnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my perfect tax world:

There would be one automated system by which people are taxed.  The calculation of taxes would be a graduated income tax, with no deductions or credits or anything like that.  

Corporations and individuals would be taxed using exactly the same calculation.  Anyone below poverty would pay nothing, and from there on up the rate would be gradual.  The top tax rate on the very last marginal dollar of daily profit generated in the economy (most likely by ExxonMobil), would be taxed at a rate set by the calculation so that the tax revenues would equal the forecasted budget for the year (this is of course, after we have paid off our debt, like a good pf blogger, before that, it would be higher).  

Your taxes would be taken from your wages daily, and you would be paid daily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my perfect tax world:</p>
<p>There would be one automated system by which people are taxed.  The calculation of taxes would be a graduated income tax, with no deductions or credits or anything like that.  </p>
<p>Corporations and individuals would be taxed using exactly the same calculation.  Anyone below poverty would pay nothing, and from there on up the rate would be gradual.  The top tax rate on the very last marginal dollar of daily profit generated in the economy (most likely by ExxonMobil), would be taxed at a rate set by the calculation so that the tax revenues would equal the forecasted budget for the year (this is of course, after we have paid off our debt, like a good pf blogger, before that, it would be higher).  </p>
<p>Your taxes would be taken from your wages daily, and you would be paid daily.</p>
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