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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://weakonomics.com/2009/07/08/the-fun-may-be-over-for-oil-speculators/comment-page-1/#comment-2641</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a big fan of Government regulations, because they usually do more harm than good for consumers.

But, it&#039;s fairly obvious the energy markets are being manipulated and have been for decades.  Being from California, I was a victim of the Rolling Blackouts (aka Rolling Blackmail), where energy companies used &quot;swaps&quot; and &quot;scheduled outages&quot; to create fake electricity shortages.  They extorted billions of dollars from consumers and paid a couple million in fines, when they got caught.

In my opinion, the futures markets for energy seems to exist for the sole purpose of enriching speculators and energy produces at the expense of consumers.  The argument that it&#039;s necessary to stabilize energy prices is ridiculous.  Just look at how the gas prices are sucessfully raised prior to any driving holiday.  Anyone who thinks this is a free-market reaction is naive.

I think there should be some reasonable controls on speculators, who have no practical need for the energy commodity.  Hedge funds shouldn&#039;t be allowed to bid up oil prices at the expense of commuters.  And, oil producers shouldn&#039;t be allowed to create dubious shortages with refinery shut-downs.
.-= Bret&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BretFrohlichcom/~3/kcribYeJsIU/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My Problem with Being Frugal&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a big fan of Government regulations, because they usually do more harm than good for consumers.</p>
<p>But, it&#8217;s fairly obvious the energy markets are being manipulated and have been for decades.  Being from California, I was a victim of the Rolling Blackouts (aka Rolling Blackmail), where energy companies used &#8220;swaps&#8221; and &#8220;scheduled outages&#8221; to create fake electricity shortages.  They extorted billions of dollars from consumers and paid a couple million in fines, when they got caught.</p>
<p>In my opinion, the futures markets for energy seems to exist for the sole purpose of enriching speculators and energy produces at the expense of consumers.  The argument that it&#8217;s necessary to stabilize energy prices is ridiculous.  Just look at how the gas prices are sucessfully raised prior to any driving holiday.  Anyone who thinks this is a free-market reaction is naive.</p>
<p>I think there should be some reasonable controls on speculators, who have no practical need for the energy commodity.  Hedge funds shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to bid up oil prices at the expense of commuters.  And, oil producers shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to create dubious shortages with refinery shut-downs.<br />
.-= Bret&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BretFrohlichcom/~3/kcribYeJsIU/" rel="nofollow">My Problem with Being Frugal</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, what do you mean &#039;potential&#039; for a smoking hot VP?  That Biden is a fox!  Oh, you meant Palin...

Back to the point at hand: I&#039;m generally in favor of increasing the oversight for speculators.  At best, it could prevent some of the huge run-ups and dips we&#039;ve seen in oil prices lately; at worst, it&#039;ll make it harder to speculate in the future, which will negatively impact a relatively small portion of the population.
.-= Roger&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/theamateurfinancier/cFiv/~3/OFm2WK64zs4/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Just What is a Local Currency?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, what do you mean &#8216;potential&#8217; for a smoking hot VP?  That Biden is a fox!  Oh, you meant Palin&#8230;</p>
<p>Back to the point at hand: I&#8217;m generally in favor of increasing the oversight for speculators.  At best, it could prevent some of the huge run-ups and dips we&#8217;ve seen in oil prices lately; at worst, it&#8217;ll make it harder to speculate in the future, which will negatively impact a relatively small portion of the population.<br />
.-= Roger&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/theamateurfinancier/cFiv/~3/OFm2WK64zs4/" rel="nofollow">Just What is a Local Currency?</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it be funny if they all had to take delivery of product while running up the prices? I think it would be hilarious to see a huge oil silo next to the NYSE on Wall Street. Then I&#039;d come on by and stick my straw it!
.-= Dave C.&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ihopetoretiresomeday.com/2009/07/dont-assume-somebody-is-monitoring-your.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Don&#039;t Assume Somebody Is Monitoring Your Retirement Or Investment Accounts&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be funny if they all had to take delivery of product while running up the prices? I think it would be hilarious to see a huge oil silo next to the NYSE on Wall Street. Then I&#8217;d come on by and stick my straw it!<br />
.-= Dave C.&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.ihopetoretiresomeday.com/2009/07/dont-assume-somebody-is-monitoring-your.html" rel="nofollow">Don&#8217;t Assume Somebody Is Monitoring Your Retirement Or Investment Accounts</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe speculation is a natural part of the free market. Are these speculators withholding oil from the market? Or is their effect on the market limited to bidding up the future price of oil with marginal effects on current prices? Either way, it seems that speculators expose themselves to risk. Specifically, that upon delivery, there is a chance they will not be able to sell the oil for the price they original bought the future contract for and may take a loss.

I imagine many of the speculators that were &quot;responsible&quot; for the increasing price of oil in 2008 also had to deal with the significant decrease in prices come 2009. 

Could it have been that oil prices increased so much in 2008 because (i) demand growth outpaced supply growth, (ii) suppliers expected future demand to outpace future supply, or (iii) the dollar fell in value vs. other world currencies?
I would recommend reviewing a few opinions in defense of speculation before coming to your own conclusion. http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2008/07/defense-of-oil-speculators.html

To those in favor of limiting speculation, do you also believe limiting short selling of stocks is a good idea? How about options?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe speculation is a natural part of the free market. Are these speculators withholding oil from the market? Or is their effect on the market limited to bidding up the future price of oil with marginal effects on current prices? Either way, it seems that speculators expose themselves to risk. Specifically, that upon delivery, there is a chance they will not be able to sell the oil for the price they original bought the future contract for and may take a loss.</p>
<p>I imagine many of the speculators that were &#8220;responsible&#8221; for the increasing price of oil in 2008 also had to deal with the significant decrease in prices come 2009. </p>
<p>Could it have been that oil prices increased so much in 2008 because (i) demand growth outpaced supply growth, (ii) suppliers expected future demand to outpace future supply, or (iii) the dollar fell in value vs. other world currencies?<br />
I would recommend reviewing a few opinions in defense of speculation before coming to your own conclusion. <a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2008/07/defense-of-oil-speculators.html" rel="nofollow">http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2008/07/defense-of-oil-speculators.html</a></p>
<p>To those in favor of limiting speculation, do you also believe limiting short selling of stocks is a good idea? How about options?</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Brewer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Brewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a hard problem to fix, for two reasons.

First, as long as they&#039;re only a modest fraction of the market, speculators are a stabilizing force--they&#039;re ready to buy when all the farmers are selling, willing to sell when all the food companies are buying.  Squelch the speculators too hard and you&#039;re right back to seeing big seasonal changes in market prices (grain prices down when he crop comes in, oil prices up when refiners build stocks in advance of summer driving).

Second, as a practical matter, it&#039;s hard to tell a speculative trade from a non-speculative one.  If an airline buys contracts for a year&#039;s worth of jet fuel, you could suppose it was non-speculative--but what if they buy contracts for 10-year&#039;s worth?  What if they buy contracts for 2 year&#039;s worth while simultaneously selling contracts for 1 year&#039;s worth?  If a health-food company that can&#039;t find a contract on quinoa uses a contract on wheat as a proxy--is that speculative?

Producers can be expected to sell when they have product and consumers can be expected to buy what they need.  Speculators, as a pool of capital willing to buy when the price is low and sell when the price is high, can be a stabilizing force.  Of course, many speculators are idiots and just make bubbles and crashes worse.  It doesn&#039;t mean that we wouldn&#039;t suffer just as much if speculators were banned--we&#039;d just suffer differently.
.-= Philip Brewer&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.killeraces.com/~r/wisebread/philip-brewer/~3/9vJyg4bs-oc/book-review-life-inc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Book review:  Life Inc.&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a hard problem to fix, for two reasons.</p>
<p>First, as long as they&#8217;re only a modest fraction of the market, speculators are a stabilizing force&#8211;they&#8217;re ready to buy when all the farmers are selling, willing to sell when all the food companies are buying.  Squelch the speculators too hard and you&#8217;re right back to seeing big seasonal changes in market prices (grain prices down when he crop comes in, oil prices up when refiners build stocks in advance of summer driving).</p>
<p>Second, as a practical matter, it&#8217;s hard to tell a speculative trade from a non-speculative one.  If an airline buys contracts for a year&#8217;s worth of jet fuel, you could suppose it was non-speculative&#8211;but what if they buy contracts for 10-year&#8217;s worth?  What if they buy contracts for 2 year&#8217;s worth while simultaneously selling contracts for 1 year&#8217;s worth?  If a health-food company that can&#8217;t find a contract on quinoa uses a contract on wheat as a proxy&#8211;is that speculative?</p>
<p>Producers can be expected to sell when they have product and consumers can be expected to buy what they need.  Speculators, as a pool of capital willing to buy when the price is low and sell when the price is high, can be a stabilizing force.  Of course, many speculators are idiots and just make bubbles and crashes worse.  It doesn&#8217;t mean that we wouldn&#8217;t suffer just as much if speculators were banned&#8211;we&#8217;d just suffer differently.<br />
.-= Philip Brewer&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feeds.killeraces.com/~r/wisebread/philip-brewer/~3/9vJyg4bs-oc/book-review-life-inc" rel="nofollow">Book review:  Life Inc.</a> =-.</p>
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