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		<title>By: Weekly Mashup: It’s Summertime?!? &#124; My Life ROI, Getting the Best Return On Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly Mashup: It’s Summertime?!? &#124; My Life ROI, Getting the Best Return On Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blasts the current scare of inflation. Just because money supply (M1) increases doesn’t mean inflation will follow [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Weekly Links - The Future of Iran Edition &#124; Darwin's Finance</title>
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		<title>By: publius47</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>weako, 
super sweet post! tom keene interviewed someone semi-recently in the past month about money supply. think it was carl lantz or alan blinder.</description>
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super sweet post! tom keene interviewed someone semi-recently in the past month about money supply. think it was carl lantz or alan blinder.</p>
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		<title>By: My Life ROI</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Life ROI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weakonomist -

You are correct. I mis-spoke. I should have said that M3&#039;s growth rate decreased substantially as M1&#039;s growth rate increased.

M1 went from approx 0% to 16% growth. M3 went from approx 17% to 7%.

I do use Shadow Stats, so good link for your readers. I also have an old professor of Economics that I converse with that runs the numbers himself. They are usually pretty close to Shadow Stats.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weakonomist -</p>
<p>You are correct. I mis-spoke. I should have said that M3&#8242;s growth rate decreased substantially as M1&#8242;s growth rate increased.</p>
<p>M1 went from approx 0% to 16% growth. M3 went from approx 17% to 7%.</p>
<p>I do use Shadow Stats, so good link for your readers. I also have an old professor of Economics that I converse with that runs the numbers himself. They are usually pretty close to Shadow Stats.<br />
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		<title>By: the weakonomist</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MLR, 
The published graph is in fact M1 as you speculated.  It is what most of us think of when money supply is mentioned.  The important point I wanted to make was merely how sharply it had increased recently.  We can&#039;t use official M3 numbers because they are no longer published by the Federal Reserve.  Sites like ShadowStats.com continue to issue estimates though.  These estimates do show a decrease in the growth rate of M3, but M3 continues to increase.  It&#039;s possible at some point the actual levels of M3 could decrease, but it hasn&#039;t yet. 
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/money-supply</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MLR,<br />
The published graph is in fact M1 as you speculated.  It is what most of us think of when money supply is mentioned.  The important point I wanted to make was merely how sharply it had increased recently.  We can&#8217;t use official M3 numbers because they are no longer published by the Federal Reserve.  Sites like ShadowStats.com continue to issue estimates though.  These estimates do show a decrease in the growth rate of M3, but M3 continues to increase.  It&#8217;s possible at some point the actual levels of M3 could decrease, but it hasn&#8217;t yet.<br />
<a href="http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/money-supply" rel="nofollow">http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/money-supply</a></p>
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		<title>By: Winner Announcement- New Giveaway and Weekly Blog Review</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hyperinflation And Deflation, What is Going On With The US Economy &#8230; &#171; Bank CD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hyperinflation And Deflation, What is Going On With The US Economy &#8230; &#171; Bank CD</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Len Penzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Penzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting take, W.  

I am one of those bloggers who is sounding the inflation alarm bells.  In fact, last month I did an entire week&#039;s worth of posts on the inflation threat and ways to protect yourself.  

It may take a year or three, but if we continue down the path of spending trillions of dollars bailing out every bank, car company, insurance company, over-extended homeowner and state government that gets into trouble, inflation will be inevitable -- and I suspect this time the Fed will be unable or unwilling to raise interest rates high enough or fast enough to quickly contain it.

The problem I see is this:  If the Obama Administration sticks to its guns and runs their 8-year budget plan as projected, $10 trillion will be added to the National Debt by 2015.  That is more debt racked up under one administration than all of the other administrations combined.

That $10T will be paid for by printing the money, rather than by directly taxing businesses and private citizens into economic oblivion.    

With that much debt, the only politically viable (albeit short-term) solution left will be the tacit devaluation of the dollar via massive inflation, which would be manna from heaven for a nation as deeply in debt as the US would be.  

Of course, the losers will be those of us who have been financially responsible who lived well within their means over the years, as the value of our savings and retirement accounts will be severely eroded.   Those of us who are working should be able to tread water, but folks on fixed incomes will especially feel immense pain.

What is the solution?  Before it&#039;s too late, the government needs to stop trying to &quot;save&quot; failing companies and individuals, and allow creative destruction to restore our economy back to health.  Let businesses and corporations fail.  Let homeowners default on the loans they should have never be approved for in the first place and reduce our massive government bureaucracy.

In the end, I refuse to put my faith in the Fed to control inflation once all the money that is currently on the sidelines starts to infiltrate the economy.  

After all, those are the guys that got us in this mess in the first place by keeping interest rates too low for too long.

My $0.02  (after taxes - and inflation)

Len
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting take, W.  </p>
<p>I am one of those bloggers who is sounding the inflation alarm bells.  In fact, last month I did an entire week&#8217;s worth of posts on the inflation threat and ways to protect yourself.  </p>
<p>It may take a year or three, but if we continue down the path of spending trillions of dollars bailing out every bank, car company, insurance company, over-extended homeowner and state government that gets into trouble, inflation will be inevitable &#8212; and I suspect this time the Fed will be unable or unwilling to raise interest rates high enough or fast enough to quickly contain it.</p>
<p>The problem I see is this:  If the Obama Administration sticks to its guns and runs their 8-year budget plan as projected, $10 trillion will be added to the National Debt by 2015.  That is more debt racked up under one administration than all of the other administrations combined.</p>
<p>That $10T will be paid for by printing the money, rather than by directly taxing businesses and private citizens into economic oblivion.    </p>
<p>With that much debt, the only politically viable (albeit short-term) solution left will be the tacit devaluation of the dollar via massive inflation, which would be manna from heaven for a nation as deeply in debt as the US would be.  </p>
<p>Of course, the losers will be those of us who have been financially responsible who lived well within their means over the years, as the value of our savings and retirement accounts will be severely eroded.   Those of us who are working should be able to tread water, but folks on fixed incomes will especially feel immense pain.</p>
<p>What is the solution?  Before it&#8217;s too late, the government needs to stop trying to &#8220;save&#8221; failing companies and individuals, and allow creative destruction to restore our economy back to health.  Let businesses and corporations fail.  Let homeowners default on the loans they should have never be approved for in the first place and reduce our massive government bureaucracy.</p>
<p>In the end, I refuse to put my faith in the Fed to control inflation once all the money that is currently on the sidelines starts to infiltrate the economy.  </p>
<p>After all, those are the guys that got us in this mess in the first place by keeping interest rates too low for too long.</p>
<p>My $0.02  (after taxes &#8211; and inflation)</p>
<p>Len<br />
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		<title>By: Dave C.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post W - it seems like a lot of people these days are wondering where inflation will be heading... I made a follow-up to your post on my blog. I have some consolidated student loans which are set at a nice low fixed interest rate. It would be kind of nice if the inflation rate &quot;monetized&quot; my debt for me, eh?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post W &#8211; it seems like a lot of people these days are wondering where inflation will be heading&#8230; I made a follow-up to your post on my blog. I have some consolidated student loans which are set at a nice low fixed interest rate. It would be kind of nice if the inflation rate &#8220;monetized&#8221; my debt for me, eh?<br />
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		<title>By: My Life ROI</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Life ROI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now, the injection of money into the banks isn&#039;t working because of, as you pointed out, the extremely low rate of inflation. At this current time, a bank is willing to take their money and put it in a conservative investment earning 3%. It will beat the inflation rate (giving them a REAL return) AND lower their risk.

As you mentioned, the government is therefore creating inflation. This is healthy. AND it will entice the banks to actually lend the money which should spur consumption and investment. Once the economy recovers they can start limiting inflation.

One thing about your graph, though, is that it is misleading. It doesn&#039;t say what metric of money supply it is going off, but I am making an assumption based on what most people refer to as money supply that it means M1*. M1 is, of course, what most people think of when they think of money supply... the tangible monies. That is going up. But M3, based on the estimates I have seen, has gone down about an equal amount, maybe slightly lower. So overall, the money supply is not changing by much... except for maybe a slight increase.

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*wiki: 
M1 represents the assets that strictly conform to the definition of money: assets that can be used to pay for a good or service or to repay debt

M2 Equals M1 + savings deposits, time deposits less than $100,000 and money market deposit accounts for individuals. M2 represents money and &quot;close substitutes&quot; for money.

M3 Equals M2 + large time deposits, institutional money-market funds, short-term repurchase agreements, along with other larger liquid assets.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now, the injection of money into the banks isn&#8217;t working because of, as you pointed out, the extremely low rate of inflation. At this current time, a bank is willing to take their money and put it in a conservative investment earning 3%. It will beat the inflation rate (giving them a REAL return) AND lower their risk.</p>
<p>As you mentioned, the government is therefore creating inflation. This is healthy. AND it will entice the banks to actually lend the money which should spur consumption and investment. Once the economy recovers they can start limiting inflation.</p>
<p>One thing about your graph, though, is that it is misleading. It doesn&#8217;t say what metric of money supply it is going off, but I am making an assumption based on what most people refer to as money supply that it means M1*. M1 is, of course, what most people think of when they think of money supply&#8230; the tangible monies. That is going up. But M3, based on the estimates I have seen, has gone down about an equal amount, maybe slightly lower. So overall, the money supply is not changing by much&#8230; except for maybe a slight increase.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
*wiki:<br />
M1 represents the assets that strictly conform to the definition of money: assets that can be used to pay for a good or service or to repay debt</p>
<p>M2 Equals M1 + savings deposits, time deposits less than $100,000 and money market deposit accounts for individuals. M2 represents money and &#8220;close substitutes&#8221; for money.</p>
<p>M3 Equals M2 + large time deposits, institutional money-market funds, short-term repurchase agreements, along with other larger liquid assets.<br />
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